Legislature(2005 - 2006)BUTROVICH 205

04/22/2005 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HJR 5 NO MILK TAX TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 5(RES) Out of Committee
+ HJR 16 OPPOSE UN LAND DESIGNATIONS IN ALASKA TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 16(RES) am Out of Committee
+ HB 75 HUNTING, FISHING, TRAPPING TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 75(RES) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= SB 102 COASTAL MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS
Moved CSSB 102(RES) Out of Committee
= SB 170 BD/DEPT OF FISH & GAME POWERS & DUTIES
Heard & Held
            CSHB  75(FIN)-HUNTING, FISHING, TRAPPING                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR WAGONER announced CSHB 75(FIN) to be up for consideration.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HEATH HILYARD,  staff to Representative Kelly,  sponsor, said the                                                               
original  version  referred  to preserving  and  promoting  sport                                                               
hunting  in the  state  and it  was thought  the  language was  a                                                               
little inflammatory.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     We  wanted to  make it  clear from  the get-go  that we                                                                    
     were not taking a position  on the subsistence issue in                                                                    
     any way. Likewise, we've also  left out references with                                                                    
     regard to sport or commercial for fishing, as well.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The  CS  includes a  legislative  intent  statement that  plainly                                                               
declares  that,  "In  no  way  are we  trying  to  contravene  or                                                               
contradict  the  existing   constitutional  principles  of  other                                                               
common users'  sustained yield." That  was a concern  of wildlife                                                               
viewing tourism constituency.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD said  the original version had to do  with the powers                                                               
and duties of  the commissioner and the boards and  that has been                                                               
removed and applied  it to the functions of  the commissioner and                                                               
the boards,  because substance  was desired  in their  ability to                                                               
adopt regulations in  carrying out the intent of  this statute to                                                               
preserve  and  promote  the  heritage  of  hunting,  fishing  and                                                               
trapping in the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WAGONER asked where the letter of intent appeared.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HILYARD replied that an intent statement is in the CS.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:55:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SEEKINS  said he wanted  to delete paragraph (1)  on page                                                               
2, 1ines 2 -  3, because he didn't want to  require the duties to                                                               
be done rather than being optional.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILYARD said  he thought  the sponsor  would be  amenable to                                                               
that amendment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   SEEKINS  moved   to  adopt   Amendment  1   to  removed                                                               
subparagraph (1) on page 2.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   DYSON   objected   adding   "renumber   paragraphs   as                                                               
appropriate" as  a friendly amendment.  There were  no objections                                                               
to Amendment 1 to Amendment 1.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said he was concerned  that they were taking away a                                                               
power of  the commissioner on  page 4,  line 19. They  are saying                                                               
the commissioner doesn't have that  power and that is a statement                                                               
they  may not  want  to make,  especially  given the  cooperative                                                               
nature  in which  some of  Alaska's fish  and wildlife  resources                                                               
have to  be managed. He wanted  to hear from the  commissioner or                                                               
the department.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS disagreed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Because the first  part of the paragraph  [page 1, line                                                                    
     14]  says, 'The  commissioner has,  but not  by way  of                                                                    
     limitation,  the  following  powers  and  duties:'  The                                                                    
     commissioner  would still  retain that  power, but  not                                                                    
     the responsibility or the duty.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     So, there  is nothing in  removing this that  would say                                                                    
     that the commissioner 'cannot,' but  it would now be at                                                                    
     the decision  - and it  would be  at our option  of the                                                                    
     state and not be required  to do so. Under current law,                                                                    
     we require the commissioner to do that.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:59:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON responded  that he understands the  language of the                                                               
limitation, but  if some future  court has to determine  what the                                                               
intent of  the legislature is,  that would not  be characterized.                                                               
He fears  that the characterization  may be that  the legislature                                                               
has said  that they  don't think that's  an appropriate  power to                                                               
list under  the powers  and, in fact,  the legislature  took that                                                               
out of the  statutes. "I would hate to have  the argument be made                                                               
as an interpretation of what we are doing here today."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:00:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SEEKINS disagreed again - respectfully.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     This record  is very clear  and if there  was confusion                                                                    
     on the part  of the court, they would look  back at the                                                                    
     action  that  removed   that  paragraph.  As  Judiciary                                                                    
     chairman,  we are  very conscious  of the  fact in  the                                                                    
     Judiciary Committee that the  record of this proceeding                                                                    
     would  be what  would  define for  the  court what  the                                                                    
     intent of the  legislature was. It's very  clear on the                                                                    
     record now  that the  intent here is  that it's  at the                                                                    
     option   of   the   commissioner   to   enforce   these                                                                    
     regulations and laws, not a requirement by state law.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WAGONER asked  for  a roll  call  vote. Senators  Seekins,                                                               
Dyson, Stedman  and Chair  Wagoner voted  yea; and  Senator Elton                                                               
voted nay; and Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:02:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON said  the department testified in the  past that it                                                               
wasn't  100  percent supportive.  He  asked  how comfortable  the                                                               
department is now  that the duty or responsibility  to assist the                                                               
U.S.  Fish and  Wildlife Service  in the  enforcement of  federal                                                               
laws and regulations pertaining to fish and game.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE  REGELIN, Acting  Commissioner, Alaska  Department of  Fish                                                               
and Game (ADF&G), said he didn't think the bill was a problem.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     As long as  we can help 'em  out if we need  to or want                                                                    
     to  and  aren't prohibited  from  doing  that, I  don't                                                                    
     think that  it's a problem.  We've never  been required                                                                    
     to. I'm sure there's [been]  times when they have asked                                                                    
     for our help and we said  we were too busy, we couldn't                                                                    
     do it.  But, we have  a good working  relationship with                                                                    
     them and  I would assume  that would continue.  Most of                                                                    
     the cooperative  efforts are on fisheries  stuff out in                                                                    
     the  ocean. A  lot  of it  is  with enforcement  people                                                                    
     there, but I  think that the original part  of the bill                                                                    
     we  did support.  We felt  it should  include trapping,                                                                    
     too, and fishing.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:05:12 PM                                                                                                                    
JENNIFER  YUHAUS,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Outdoor  Council,                                                               
supported this bill  and the CS and the removal  of the amendment                                                               
that included viewing as a use.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     This  is not  because we  don't legitimize  the use  of                                                                    
     viewing wildlife, but that the  advocacy of this use is                                                                    
     covered  through several  other  avenues through  other                                                                    
     departments  including the  tourism  industry and  it's                                                                    
     not the original intent when the bill was introduced.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:06:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SEEKINS moved  to report SCS CSHB  75(RES) from committee                                                               
with individual  recommendations and attached fiscal  note. There                                                               
were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  SEEKINS  noted that  someone  only  has  to turn  to  AS                                                               
16.05.935, which is the restriction section in statute:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Cooperation  with  the  federal government  in  Glacier                                                                    
     Bay, along with the statement  in there that nothing in                                                                    
     this title, Title 16, authorizes  the department or the                                                                    
     board to enter  into an agreement with  a department or                                                                    
     agency  of  the  federal government  that  cedes  state                                                                    
     authority  for  the management  of  fish  and game,  et                                                                    
     cetera, that we  have taken similar action  in the past                                                                    
     to not require our  state departments to cooperate with                                                                    
     federal management.                                                                                                        

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